Diario de Mjgh06, 19 ago. 18

All of these benefits, every single one of them you can obtain with just cico 

But yeah we all different some people rather drink butter with coffee and it’s ok 😉I’ll keep eating my mango 👌🏼 

Emalee, your results are from a calorie deficit and you may have needed keto to have that deficit. I've never said keto doesn't work, it just doesn't give a metabolic advantage given the same protein and calorie intake. It can have a benefit for people who need to cut out foods to lower their energy intake. Diets come down to preference and I guess some people live in pain when they eat certain foods. I've never known anyone in person with this affliction but it must be a thing. 

So, I was curious so I looked up how to avoid inflammation. Really the only people that need to worry about it are people with arthritis but here is what webmd recommends. "In a nutshell, anti-inflammatory foods are those that any mainstream nutrition expert would encourage you to eat. They include lots of fruits and vegetables, whole grains, plant-based proteins (like beans and nuts), fatty fish, and fresh herbs and spices. Fruits and veggies: Go for variety and lots of color. Research has shown that vitamin K-rich leafy greens like spinach and kale curb inflammation, as does broccoli and cabbage. And the substance that gives fruits like cherries, raspberries, and blackberries their color is a type of pigment that also helps fight inflammation. Whole grains: Oatmeal, brown rice, whole-wheat bread, and other unrefined grains tend to be high in fiber, and fiber also may help with inflammation. Beans: They're high in fiber, plus they're loaded with antioxidants and other anti-inflammatory substances. Nuts: They have a healthy kind of fat that helps stop inflammation. (Olive oil and avocados are also good sources.) Stick to just a handful of nuts a day; otherwise, the fat and calories will add up. Fish: Put it on your plate at least twice a week. Salmon, tuna, and sardines all have plenty of omega-3 fatty acids, which fight inflammation. Herbs and spices: They add antioxidants (along with flavor) to your food. Turmeric, found in curry powder, has a strong substance called curcumin. And garlic curbs the body's ability to make things that boost inflammation."  

Doesn't sound keto at all. 

I'm with Diablo on this one, and I think he has kept to the argument without being snarky. Nevertheless, with that stated I think everyone who has seen success with their particular WOE thinks theirs is the bees-knees. When the see weight loss, muscle tone they feel better and that makes neurological adjustment which likely gives us untold benefits. For me it is keep it clean, and exercise, no foods that come from box, cans, or bags. Get your carbs from low glycemic foods, no foods from white flour, keeps junk food out of the house and the body in motion. I'm 57, have a body that looks better than most 20 year olds, yet still have an old head. Swing for the fences my friends. Don't take things so personal. 

Some of you have been dieting for many many yrs. and yes metabolism can adapt to a lower maintenance intake. But it’s only damage we have done ourselves  

I have been dieting for less 3.5 yrs. A small/moderate calorie deficit since the beginning is always the one that will damage the body less  

@Diablo360x @Rosio19 I do not understand why you are both stuck on CICO. I have never said Atkins/Keto could no or was not a form of it. I have said that Atkins/Keto is a medical diet for people with immune response issues so the CICO eat whatever you want will not work for them. ---------------------------------------------------A person who is allergic to eggs, cannot eat eggs regardless of your CICO. So why continue to tell people "Cravings, if I crave something I eat it 😏😋 simple" It doesn't work that way for everyone. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I would never recommend someone to use WebMD for medical advice, why would you? Our personal physicians are the best resource because they and only they know our full medical history. ------------------------------------------------------------------- I do this woe because of my medical issues, not because I think it is better than any other woe. I don't promote it as being better. I do promote my results from being on it because Yes I am proud I am still alive and living healthy! ------------------------------ But you do you and please allow me to do me without any more snarky remarks that I need CICO or that CICO is the same when it is not - CICO the way you eat does not eliminate the harmful foods from my diet. So yes butter in my coffee sounds great!  

@Egull1 I am sorry you are suffering from Multiple Sclerosis. The rdi I posted above was for me and I was not recommending it for others. As for MS and the ketogenic diet, I hope you will speak with your physician about it. It has helped MS patients because of its neuroprotective properties. There are several MS patients at the clinic I go to. I did a quick peer review search and there are several studies that show a keto diet has improved MS patients. I don't know all the medically terminology but the studies I reviewed are as recent as 2017 and backwards. May I suggest you ask you treating physician about the research on it. Regardless of that, I wish you success and improved health. 

I hate the bad advise some constantly give when someone discovers a food that negativitely effects them. Telling them to eat it, please give me a break! if you were allergic to something would you appreciate it if some crazy person told you don't worry about it, just eat it. Just back off. Refined foods are not good for you, but many people can eat them in moderation and great for those folks. and adamevegod1 you really don't think the same way as Diablo, you avoid refined flours and refined foods, you clean your house of them. he is advocating those exact empty foods along with Rosio. As long as you do CICO you can have them. I agree with you that whole foods, if you are able to eat them is a great way to eat. I unfortunately can't have a lot of different foods. Once I get my system settled and cleaned up I will be able to add some of those whole foods back into my lifestyle plan. Looking forward to it, but flour is definitely on my no list.  

Thank you @Baskington I think you at least understand what I am trying to say. I guess I am hard to understand. I know the strokes and seizures I have had has messed me up somewhat.  

no problem, my mind is a little clearer since I have stopped eating so many questionable foods and it helps in these discussions. I am really getting tired of having them though. I just wish everyone would just support everyone's lifestyle choices. or at least keep their negativity to themselves. THIS IS A SUPPORT place! 

Thanks, Mjgh06 - I have the original plus the update. The updated version has more science base but I agree the original was a better diet, closer to today's Keto. I do follow the work of Drs Phinney and Volek at VirtaHealth.com - their health care startup that is focused on reversing T2D with the keto diet Baskington - I couldn't agree more! I have started calling out non supportive posts, negative comments just shouldn't be tolerated! just now 

@gz9gjg Just a sidenote on why there is such a difference in the two versions - Dr. Atkins Original followed the studies of Dr. Peterson's ketogenic diet for epileptic patients and modified it for his heart and diabetic patients. He had the scientific studies to back it. But in the 70's when he published it there was a big uproar over the food pyramid and govt, AHA, and other associations fought hard against Dr. Atkins version - whole different issue there with the food pyramid. Dr. Atkins was forced to publish the original without his documented research and then later forced to 'revise' the entire plan to the New version. Luckily, the doctors I had in the 70's- to early 80's had medical access and gave me copies of everything (all of Atkins and Dr. Peterson's original research - well gave my mom because I was a kid. I don't know if she was supposed to keep it though, but I kept it all. Every low carb diet today stems from these two awesome physicians that went against the norm to help their patients. 

CICO is the Catholicism of dieting. "It's not the food, it's you. You lack discipline, fatty. Just use moderation etc etc." It's great that it works for some people. Congrats! You have no food sensitivities and can eat anything you like. Wow, I used to be like that at one time too. But things can change. The problem with CICO I see, is you haven't really changed the ways you eat and what you eat. Just eating less garbage is still eating garbage. Garbage in, Garbage out. GIGO :) you may lose weight but you are one accident or injury from a rebound. If you are eating 3-5k calories a day lifting weights and mostly carbs your body will go nuts when you are laid up with a back injury or nursing a bum knee. You will still want those carbs and not having tamed those cravngs, you will gain it all back.__________________________ There're billions (probably trillions) of dollars on the line promoting that food is just food and it's really all your fault. Add in the medical industry that profits from people being constantly sick and diseased and you have a lot of money going to research supporting CICO philosophy of "It's you, not the food." There're lots of articles knocking down people with legitimate food sensitivities, lots of promotion of bad advice riddled with guilt and catch phrases to shame people seeking an answer. We've heard some of that above mocking KETO and other approaches. Do you really think McDonald's fast food is as healthy as eating something prepared fresh with only a handful of ingredients? Your answer is "Look at me, I can eat anything." You're special, there, I said it. Copy it down and pin it to your fridge. Congrats!___________________________________________ CICO continues to promote the idea that everyone is the same and food is just food. But we are not all the same and food effects people differently. It's not isolated cases of individual quirks. When I first started noticing food sensitivities, I made a list of what was bothering me and started to eliminate them from my diet. Some foods had no effect and others made me feel great. I listed them as well. When I showed the lists to a doctor friend, she handed me the bloodtype diet book. All the foods I had singled out over 2 years of trial and error with my food issues were on the list of foods to avoid for my bloodtype. ALL of them. That is statistically impossible BTW. My neutral foods were on my no issues list, and the foods that made me feel great were on the list of foods with positive benefits. Again statistically impossible for me to make the same exact list.____________________________________________ Diablo has mocked the bloodtype diet on several occasions mainly because he thinks the name is ridiculous, but he concedes that people do have allergies to foods. Where does he believe the body reacts to food? Just on the skin or perhaps in the digestive tract, or the tongue? It's a very limited understanding of the body and how we interact with what we eat. "He's not allergic to peanuts, it's his tongue that's allergic to peanuts." No, allergies are largely overactive immune system reactions in the bloodstream to food. His answer was "If food causes you pain, stop eating it." No shit. But food sensitivities are not just identifiable as pain and extreme anaphylactic shock, but also feeling groggy and sluggish, foggy headed, sore joints, migraines, water retention, bloating, GI irritation, and inflammation.____________________________ CICO just ignores it all. Again with CICO the undercurrent is "It's not the food, it's you. You lack discipline, fatty."  

No, you and baskington don't get it, actually. I am not telling people to eat like me. If that is your takeaway, I am not sure how you're coming to that conclusion. Emalee, you're not subverting the law of thermodynamics no matter how hard you try. Keto doesn't speed up your metabolism and carbs do not slow it down. One or both of those would have to happen for you to lose more fat or gain more given the same calorie intake. If you began losing on the scale quicker it was because of water weight which drops quickly on a low carb diet. 

Allergies do not make food more calorific. If you need to avoid them because of adverse reactions or because they cause a binge then do so, but do not claim magic happens, Marx. 

God you're dense 

Also, no if I am bed ridden I will not be as hungry. The amount of exercise I am doing it directly related to my hunger, similar to how you get thirsty when you seat a lot, when you burn a lot of calories hunger also spikes.